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Old Jul 13, 2007, 01:13 AM // 01:13   #1
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hi, my title was kinda stupid but I couldn't think of other title

Anyway I was a huge Diablo2 fan and I heard that guild war is similar to it.

What I liked about guild war is that it doesn't have subscription fee, otherwise I would've played WOW like most people.

But I am not a huge fan of PVP, I like to cooperate with friends and kill monsters (PVE).
I heard that it's hard to find someone to go out with me and kill monsters and most people play PVP.

Is there any good PVE game like diablo2 that you guys can recommand me?


and also, there are so many expansion for guild war and the new one is about to come out. and then guild war 2 is coming out too.
should I wait for the nex expansion or 2? I heard that people with diff expansion cannot play each other and don't understand why they make so many expansion and 2 to split players, I like big community not splitted community.

For last, does it support widescreen?
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Old Jul 13, 2007, 01:41 AM // 01:41   #2
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It's dam near impossible. Unless you have friends or guildies, most of the time your only companions will be the henchmen or heroes. Not that you'd really WANT to to find randoms to do quests with, as most of the time having noone is better than having a PuG (pick up group).

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and also, there are so many expansion for guild war and the new one is about to come out. and then guild war 2 is coming out too.
should I wait for the nex expansion or 2? I heard that people with diff expansion cannot play each other and don't understand why they make so many expansion and 2 to split players, I like big community not splitted community.
Go for GW2. It'll have everything GW has but also the things it should of had from day one, and the things all the players have been bitching about but couldn't be implemented in GW1 due to bad design.
Also the GW1 games will be pretty much left in the dark, judging from past Anet actions, so don't touch em imo.

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is guild war good game?
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Old Jul 13, 2007, 02:00 AM // 02:00   #3
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It's dam near impossible. Unless you have friends or guildies, most of the time your only companions will be the henchmen or heroes. Not that you'd really WANT to to find randoms to do quests with, as most of the time having noone is better than having a PuG (pick up group).



Go for GW2. It'll have everything GW has but also the things it should of had from day one, and the things all the players have been bitching about but couldn't be implemented in GW1 due to bad design.
Also the GW1 games will be pretty much left in the dark, judging from past Anet actions, so don't touch em imo.

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no.
LOL thank you very much.
By the way, is it just for Guild war or do other MMORPG like WOW also have hard time finding someone to go out and kill monsters?

I guess I will just have to wait for diablo3 if i like PVE?
is there any other good PVE games u can recommand?
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Old Jul 13, 2007, 02:05 AM // 02:05   #4
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It's dam near impossible. Unless you have friends or guildies, most of the time your only companions will be the henchmen or heroes. Not that you'd really WANT to to find randoms to do quests with, as most of the time having noone is better than having a PuG (pick up group).



Go for GW2. It'll have everything GW has but also the things it should of had from day one, and the things all the players have been bitching about but couldn't be implemented in GW1 due to bad design.
Also the GW1 games will be pretty much left in the dark, judging from past Anet actions, so don't touch em imo.

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no.
LOL thank you very much.
By the way, is it just for Guild war or do other MMORPG like WOW also have hard time finding someone to go out and kill monsters?

I guess I will just have to wait for diablo3 if i like PVE?
is there any other good PVE games u can recommand?
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Old Jul 13, 2007, 02:07 AM // 02:07   #5
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i think a lot of the combat style in GW is similar to Diablo2. U just need to hack and slash. The thing that differentiates GW from Diablo2 the most is that Diablo2 is very gear dependent whereas everybody has the same gear and same weapon dmg in GW.

Another problem since u said u like playing with friends is that PUGs are non-existent in GW. If you're in a guild u only quest/instance with ur guild. other times u will be playing with your henchies/heroes.

If you're going to buy a GW, buy nightfall as it is the latest stand-alone although there are still quite a number of ppl in prophecies.

Is GW a good game? I would say yes for a game that doesn't have monthly fees. It does not compare to those that charge monthly fees.

and yes it supports wide screen but i noticed switching from my wide screen laptop to my PC that my character is thinner.
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Old Jul 13, 2007, 02:22 AM // 02:22   #6
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Jeez.. Kurtas, I think you need to take a break from playing or something

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But I am not a huge fan of PVP, I like to cooperate with friends and kill monsters (PVE).
I heard that it's hard to find someone to go out with me and kill monsters and most people play PVP.
It really depends on where you are, and what you're looking to do. If you're just looking for people to litterally go out for the sole purpose of killing monsters, then in that case it will be hard to find people. Most, I imagine, would prefer to do that only to farm for cash and items, so they're gonig to want to solo it.

If you're doing quests... Well... might be a bit hard to find people, but I'm sure if you were asking you'd be able to find random people to team up with to do them.

Storyline missions? Definately! it might take a try or two in some of the less populated areas to get a group, but overall you will be able to find one.

Really, the backbone of GW, and any other game for that matter, is finding friends. At the start, this is most easily done through joining a Guild. I was lucky when I started, the friend who turned me on to GW already was leading his own Guild, so i was able to jump into an active comunity of many people. When you start out, look for a good guild to join. One that's active, friendly, and doesn't force you to do anything. As the game progresses, I'm sure you'll randomly stumble on people through quests, missions, festivals, events, and conversations that you'll be able to have as friends. These are the people you call on when you want to just hang around and kill monsters. Friends and Guild Mates.

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and also, there are so many expansion for guild war and the new one is about to come out. and then guild war 2 is coming out too.
should I wait for the nex expansion or 2? I heard that people with diff expansion cannot play each other and don't understand why they make so many expansion and 2 to split players, I like big community not splitted community.
First off, the new game, Guild wars: Eye of the North(GW:EN), is a true expansion, so you'll have to have one of the other three campaigns, Guild Wars: Prophicices, GW: Factions, or GW: Nightfall, to play it. If you buy any of these campaigns, you can play with anyone from any other campaign, as long as they also have your campaign as well. The overall game of GW is split amongst 3 continents, each of the three campiagns unlocks one of these continents.

I would recommend, if you plan on purchasing GW:EN, that you get Prophicies (usually labled just "Guild Wars" since it was the first one) becuase it has a better learning curve, and a more expansive storyline. I would recommend, if you can't find Prophicies, that you get GW:Nightfall. It's the newest one, so it's more availible in stores or online, has the largest population base of any of the games, and it also has a better learning curve than GW: Factions. I would suggest you stear clear of Factions until you are a more advanced player, becuase Factions kind of throws you in to the storyline with a very small learning curve.

Also, the expected release date of Guild Wars 2 is about 2010, so I wouldn't wait to get into GW until then.

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For last, does it support widescreen?
I can't speak from personal experience, but I'm pretty sure it does.

As with all games, it just comes down to your personal tastes and experiences with it. Kurtas apperantly doesn't like GW, I love it. I would recomend it to my friends, and I would recomend it to you as well.
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Old Jul 13, 2007, 02:34 AM // 02:34   #7
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I heard that it's hard to find someone to go out with me and kill monsters and most people play PVP.
It can sometimes be difficult to find other players to group with, especially if you choose to play one of the less popular professions. Although if you can start to make some friends in-game or join a guild, it suddenly becomes a lot easier to find other people to group with.

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and also, there are so many expansion for guild war and the new one is about to come out. and then guild war 2 is coming out too.
should I wait for the nex expansion or 2? I heard that people with diff expansion cannot play each other and don't understand why they make so many expansion and 2 to split players, I like big community not splitted community.
The GW games that are out right now are not expansions. They are all stand-alone chapters that run through the same game client, and you do not need the original to be able to play either of the other two. However, if you own more than one and link the games together into your playing account, you can make your characters cross between games for more content.

The next GW game (Eye of the North) is set to be a proper expansion, and will require you to own at least one of the previous chapters to be able to play it. If you're going to start to play now, I would suggest getting Guild Wars Nightfall, as this is the most recent chapter and it is where most of the community tends to be at the moment. Then when Eye of the North comes out, you'll have the basic requirements for it if you want to get it.

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Is there any good PVE game like diablo2 that you guys can recommand me?
If you liked the Diablo games, you might want to try the Dungeon Siege games. Dungeon Siege 2 is all PvE in the Diablo hack and slash style, with 5 playable races, 4 basic professions and 2 combined professions, and no restrictions on character development (you're not even tied to being a single profession).
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Old Jul 13, 2007, 08:26 AM // 08:26   #8
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Hmm, coming from Diablo 2, I'm not sure GW is the same type of game.

Diablo 2 was essentially about your high level character mowing down enemies in droves.

GW is not really that.

I'll try to translate, how Guild wars would feel if the basics were brought into Diablo 2 engine:

You rather quickly reach level 80, by the time you deal with Andariel or Duriel, and then stop levelling up. However, from then on, the whole game is build balanced for lvl 80 hell difficutly (perhaps pre 1.10, though). So would all gear.

You get to use two classes at once. Your primary class is fixed, but you can switch the secondary class at will in town.

The game's skill system would be different. You'd get about 50 total skill points, but you wouldn't invest them into individual skills, but rather into a whole tree. If you'd invest 15 skill points into Poison and bone, all Poison and bone skills would work as if 15 points were put in them. You could get those points back at any time, to reinvest in other skill trees. (BTW, you don't need to invest 20 points to make a skill work at all, lower skill levels just mean a bit lower firepower or defence).

Then, you'd take 8 skills with you to actually use, depending on the area you are taking on. For example, for Maggot lair as a necromancer, you'd invest skill points in Poison and bone and then bring Bone spear and Corpse explosion with you, as they work well in the long corridors. For the wide Arreat plateau, you'd bring Poison nova to affect whole areas.

You would never be expected to take on a whole area alone, but would be able to bring up to 7 mercenaries with you if no humans are available. That's LoD mercenaries, mind, that work as well as a real player.

A typical group would look like:
A Barbarian with a hammer and 3 Bash-type skills to stun enemies in place, a Frenzy equivalent, Shout to increase the whole party's defense and a skill to heal himself.
A barbarian with an axe with 3 Whirlwind type skills to hit many enemies at once, otherwise the same as the Barbarian above.
A Necromancer with Iron maiden, so any enemies that attack the Barbarians would hurt themselves, and some other curses to weaken enemies.
Two Sorceresses that bring Meteor and Fireball to deal masses of damage on groups.
A Paladin that heals the whole party but otherwise doesn't fight.
A Paladin that brings the resistance auras to protect the party, so it takes less damage.
An Amazon that wouldn't deal damage much, but would prevent the enemy from using their skills (complex idea, really...).

Then, the fight itself would feel different. You'd face about the same number of monsters as the party has members, and they'd die a bit more slowly than those in D2.
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Old Jul 13, 2007, 08:55 AM // 08:55   #9
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As for kurtas' unkind opinion:

GW is a good game.

Grouping problems are present everywhere. Remember D2? It's always easy to get a game for baal runs, in theory. Now think what happens if you don't get both a BO barb and a Teleporter. The game dies in a minute.

Now imagine getting a party for an obscure quest that noone cares for. Like the quest to find the Gidbinn. You'll be all alone forever. It's simply hard to find more people who are at the exact stage of the game as you.

And that's just in Diablo, with its 30 quests. GW and other games of the general genre have hundreds of quests.

However, GW has a solution to it: if you can't find human players, you can always take the henchmen. The party will work, you just won't be able to talk to them.
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Old Jul 13, 2007, 09:00 AM // 09:00   #10
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^----- well thought out post there, Iuris
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Old Jul 13, 2007, 09:08 AM // 09:08   #11
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Guild Wars is one of the best game I've ever played. And it's not "free". Many people spend about $200 thru 3 campaign and add-ons. You just miss the bus. Maybe with the soon to be released expansion, a lot of people will be back. As per the suggestion above, you might be enjoying the Nightfall because that's the latest campaign and it will be required to play the expansion.

Just look at this site. It is a prove of how well the game is despite the nay sayers.
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Old Jul 13, 2007, 09:57 AM // 09:57   #12
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some games u need pay both fee AND expensions.considereing gw u only pay for addons/extension it's not comparable.

i played d2 for 7 years, and when i moved to gw i definitly was not disapointed.sure you're level limited to 20 but the quests/pve part offer a great adventure to go through and beautiful graphisms.

definitly you should go for it, as a d2 player liking to quest, you wont be disapointed.nighfall or profecies are good for start and pve.faction is more pvp.

to ppl complaining about gw : why dun u complain about sky being blue or about sun shining...sigh...stop play that game then, and dun spread your shiet over new players.
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Old Jul 13, 2007, 11:45 AM // 11:45   #13
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Guildwars is good.

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Old Jul 13, 2007, 12:42 PM // 12:42   #14
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I have been playing G.W. for the last 2 years (so yes it is a good game).
I have 2 accounts and every class in the game.finding a guild is not that hard.
I loved Diablo 2,played it for about 7 years. get your hand on the new Guild Wars Trilogy Trial DVD it's only $1.99 at EB games "Try all 3 Guild Wars Games! 14 day or 10 hours of Gameplay!" see if you like it.

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Old Jul 13, 2007, 12:49 PM // 12:49   #15
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altho this is my first MMO, and as a friend who dragged me into this game (where I was an absolutly nay-sayer to online games) I've been playing this game for over 2 years now, got almost 2000 hours on my main char alone and around 10 milion xp.

So if it wouldn't have been good, I would not still be playing it.

offcourse a good guild helps, I'm still in my first guild that 2 off my friends and me started together on the day we all 3 began playing gw. It has grown into a +- 50 active people now and is based about just having a fun experience in this game.

Soon we'll be having a iron man run (no armor, no weapons, no skills) with the guild, just to have fun together.

there are alot off guilds out there, and not everyone is awesome, but its not like your tight to a specific guild, your free to do what ever you want.

About quest: there are plenty off em, and do mean plenty in all three chapters.

SO GW IS A GOOD GAME!
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Old Jul 13, 2007, 01:00 PM // 13:00   #16
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Many people have different opinions on how "good" GW was when it first started and how "good" GW is right now. These opinions are as different as night and day right now.
Ask around multiple forums about the opinion of starting GW now to get a better feel of peoples positive and negatives of the game.
And suggestion to get GW2 since it will be "better"... kinda ridiculous suggestion at this time.
GW2 is at least 2 years away from being released. We still do not know enough about what how things will work or even finalized content of what will or wont be in the game.
If you want to try out the GW universe to see if waiting for GW2 is worth it:
Try Prophecies (the first and longest of the three games..if not the cheapest right now) or Nightfall (the most recent chapter since more people or likely to be playing that chapter right now). I do recommend Factions as an addon if you like either of the other two.
GW:Eye of the North is the expansion coming out next month. Right now it is highly anticipated but we can not say GET IT or DON'T GET IT yet since most we know about the game is through previews or interviews with the Dev team.
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Old Jul 13, 2007, 01:04 PM // 13:04   #17
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just out of curiosity kurtas how long have you been playing G.W.,this is not a flame or anything like that I am just curious.
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Old Jul 13, 2007, 01:10 PM // 13:10   #18
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he prolly one warrior with meteor shower wondering why no one wan his uber skill in a group

and gw 2 wont be out before year and half around.so gg say him wait 2 years for change game?really gg.
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Old Jul 13, 2007, 01:16 PM // 13:16   #19
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Is GW a good game?

Yes, as long as you don't expect P2P features like some people do. There are better MMO's without doubt but GW is the best free MMO there is.
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